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Future Sagas in Destiny Lore

In a recent article, Bungie referred to the next saga saying it involves forces that shape the universe. This has some very interesting implications given some recent lore surrounding the darkness, light, and mysteries before time. Today we dive through some new lore and discuss who or what these forces might be.

In Bungie's end of year 2024 article they said this, In Heresy, we're widening the focus of the story to the Hive Pantheon and ancient eldritch forces that shape the universe. The events of Heresy close the door on the Light and Darkness saga and act as a prologue to Codename Frontiers, where the Guardian's purpose in the next saga starts to take focus. So that gives us a couple of things to think about. Heresy is the last episode in this episodic cadence, and it's going to close off the Light and Darkness saga.

It involves the Hive Sisters and some type of eldritch force that shapes the universe. To me, this sounds completely different than the forces of Light and Darkness that we are used to. They clearly separate it here with this new title.

The Frontiers'Vidocq also mentioned this Eldritch Force is opening new doors, creating powerful mysteries, and it's what leads us back to the Dreadnought. So what could this force be? Is it something like the Winnower? Some people believe the Winnower is essentially this force in the universe, it may not actually be a physical character. And to be honest, we don't really know.

Bungie changes the story all the time, they can do anything. The Winnower could stay this force in the background that sometimes speaks to the Guardian, or it could emerge as a next big bad villain. We don't know.

What we do know now is that there is a distinction between Winnower and Witness, and that this Winnower appeared a lot in the Final Shape and New Grimoire Anthology lore. It could also be something completely new, which would be fresh and a nice change. But the fact that this involves Oryx's dreadnought is interesting.

Oryx did speak to the darkness. In the Books of Sorrow, he contacted the darkness and learned the power to take. Given the witness is the creator of the taken and power to take, we believe that it was the witness. Then Oryx said, Now I may speak to the deep, the beautiful final shape. I will be king of shapes.

I will learn all the secrets of our destiny. His speech to the deep is not recorded here, but it is known that he returned and he said, Now I am Oryx the Taken King, and I have the power to take life and make it my own. So that was always assumed to be the witness gaining the power to take.

Mara Sov told us that the witness is the master of the Taken. But this doesn't mean that Oryx didn't speak to other forms of darkness like the Winnower as well, or learn from it like we have through the lore. In Unveiling's Patternfall card, the narrator says this, They are not all mine, not in the way that admirers such as my man Oryx are mine, utterly devoted to the practice of my principle, but some of them have, nonetheless, found their way home.

So that there clearly sounds more along the lines of the Winnower. My Man Oryx doesn't sound like something The Witness would say, although that would be pretty goofy. So what this force is remains to be seen, but we also have new lore from the Penumbra Anthology and there's a couple of different interesting entries.

One of which is this first card titled On the Witness, where it appears a hidden agent contacts their friend, discussing the creation of The Witness, its homeworld, and its ultimate goals. My hidden friend. The neonate worm Asa.

She spoke to the guardian, and this was what she imparted. Look to the place where the witness formed. An exhausted world made so long ago that even silicon was a luxury.

This is where the hunt began. The traveler graced that world, but it wasn't enough. Those who lived there saw a creation born to die.

They wanted it to mean something. It had to mean something. And if it didn't, they would make it mean something.

For, in their view, to make something was to understand it. I understand this impulse too well. But they chose a truly rotten betrayal, to open up and take and remake their god. And they would use the darkness to do it.

Finding no meaning at all in the act of creation, they decided that the only place left for reason, intent, and consciousness to reside was in the act of elimination. If their god the traveler made things for no reason, then a merciful, purposeful winnower must have a good reason to remove them. In mimicry of this belief, they winnowed themselves down to a single awareness. All their thought and pain compressed into a bombshell of consciousness and intent. Magnificently aware of all the universe's failings.

A conscious witness to the testament of the light's sins. A final, ruinous creation born of their civilization. A knife.

And it set out after the Traveler. Not to destroy it, but to defeat it. To impose a will upon an absence it saw as unacceptable, negligent.

To dictate by force how things ought to be. The motive is to impose meaning upon dark and light beyond mere primordial dynamics. The Killer is an anthology of this ancient civilization's rage at their god's silence.

I find that I pity these vanished people. But if all the cosmos turned inward, as I turned inward for a while, as these people turned inward forever, then we would all be alone. Yes, it is awful to face loss.

But we must keep cooperating in the face of all extinction, or there can never be anything better. This is all I know. So let me know in the comments down below who you think the writer of this lore card is.

It's addressed to My Hidden Friend. So the first place my mind went was someone involving the Hidden. Maybe Ikora Ray, Eris Morn, or perhaps someone like Chalko.

Let me know what you think. It is not vanity for me to acknowledge that I have unique insight to impart. I have witnessed darkness in all its forms, in all its terrible pain and contortions, and all the violence it inflicts.

But despite this, and above all, I see in it the aches and yearnings for a more complete world. There is collapse and indistinction, but also there is preservation. Not stultifying, but vital.

This is what I have learned. We have harnessed the darkness because it bears harnessing. It has yielded the fruits of our future, nurtured against great opposition. Every boundary invites transgression.

We are not beyond our own affronts, which have inevitably changed us. That is not weakness, or folly, or failure. I maintain that balance is not equity. I do not accept the darkness in the same terms as the light. Darkness is a tool to be used and a path to walk, but it is not our essence.

We must hold fast to that understanding, to do otherwise invokes delusion. The darkness and the light are not opponents, but neither are they allies. There is a natural conflict between them.

But we have the capacity to hold contradictions within ourselves, and so they mingle with great effort on our part. That is the beauty of our complexity, the purview of the light. Our safe contact with the darkness is only possible because of the light.

Even so, the light exists not as our protector, but as our guide. That is all I wish to impart. To every fire, its fuel.

Eris Morn. So the light and the dark, we've talked about them a lot over the years. Osiris has, and now we have another explanation from Eris Morn here after everything she's been through.

Both the light and darkness have shaped Eris over the years. Darkness is useful, but light is what guides us. And while light and darkness aren't enemies, they aren't partners either. They're not equals. They are very different forces and we need to treat them differently.

Eris also speaks to us about thinking about these powers and how we use them. And remember that balance can be kind of complicated. We next come to our last entry titled A Beast.

The universe is a beast. The body is made from tiny stuff. From near nothings.

From atoms swimming through a blood of crackling sparks. Simple, eternal laws shape the beast. The largest galaxy is ruled by principles of mass and motion. Electrons and slaves to charge and to charge. And this is why the universe feels inexhaustible, eternal.

No sun complains about its death. Life is the problem. Life can be woven from flesh or circuit or thoughtful light. Origins don't matter, but small, half-smart creatures have a fierce talent for denying the inevitable, for balking and complaining about injustices that don't exist, and consequences that should be borne in silence. So there you have it, Guardians, some more mysteries in the Destiny universe.

Eldritch Forces and the Light and Dark Saga conclusion on the horizon. We've been diving through these Penumbra entries and there was a couple of them left, so I just wanted to throw those all in and discuss these topics together. But if you'd like to see some more Destiny news, lore, and mysteries just like this video, please be sure to subscribe to the channel. I thank you very much for watching and I'll catch you all in the next video.

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