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chats i want to take this moment right now to watch this video quote "If you were in charge how would you fix Destiny?" There's actually a great video here by Cammy Cakes who we love very much on this on this channel and I would like to listen to him hey friends today's conversation is an unfiltered off the top of the head conversation ripped from my Twitch stream answering the viewer question of what would you do to save the game if you had the keys to the kingdom it probably makes sense to do some disclaimers before I get into it the first of which is I am not a game developer and game development is difficult beyond comprehension i feel like this doesn't even have to be said especially since the viewer question doesn't whating kill was that what the what did I just watch is difficult beyond comprehension i feel like this doesn't even have to be said especially since the viewer question doesn't even have to do with that but if I don't say it the comment section is going to be impossible to navigate and while I'm on the topic if we are giving proper feedback to devs you need to talk as though you are a patient at a doctor's office describing whatever ails you and letting them figure out what to prescribe okay we good can I have some fun here can I have an easy video where I just skim through a Twitch stream and upload it for your enjoyment on the commute to work whatever we're starting off with the summary it's going to be a little out of order but it's going to make more sense enjoy the video hey Cam if you had Keys to the Kingdom how would you save this game franchise for the first time in a decade separate the sandboxes separate the game separate the camps of people who play the game for different reasons rather than trying to give all four camps something that they don't want that is how and that could go beyond this just being an FPS game i know that that is the key X factor that separates it from all of its contemporaries i know that the good gameplay is what separates it from its contemporaries but we've had a decade of lore world building jokes thrown in there familiarity gained that they could easily pivot to many different genres and have a competitive product what would I recommend for Bungie to change in PvP and Destiny 2 uh make areas where different genres of players can go that's it that's the simplest answer instead of making uh a compromise across the one PVP mode just uncompromised just make five different PvP modes it's that simple halo did it oh yeah i would pay for freelance that goes without saying though usually when someone says matchmaking they mean the algorithms that puts together the match not necessarily like the search features like if I could pick maps if I could have custom server browser if I could have freelance if I could have it hit prefer connection etc like I would do all of that in a heartbeat but I think you're more or less talking about like is it okay that they use skill defining algorithms to try to create balanced matches my answer is yes that's perfectly okay if anything you're not I would say yeah i don't know it's It's one of those things like skillbased matchmaking versus connection based as long as it's not at a detriment of connections i I understand why the existence of skill base is present not going to believe me but I promise you it's correct destiny is one of the most lax matchmaking out of all the FPS game it it genuinely offers connection based matchmaking we just don't have a big enough player population that you notice it but there's a lot of research to suggest that when it is truly random the player base fall-off is very fast uh so maybe like I don't know like 7 years ago I would have been maybe even more than that i would have been on the uh camp of I just want random connection based matchmaking please cuz it'll lead to more varied experiences uh but the answer is gaming and gamers expectations have changed so much over the years that there's just not a realistic ask anymore there's it is not like there's only two good games in town like back on Xbox days it was really like just Halo for a while so nowadays you can play so many other games that Dude that's so true though no no no even like from a PvP perspective I don't know about you guys i remember when I had a PlayStation 4 and I just got it i think the only game I had I could play at the time before Destiny to scratch the PvP itch was I believe Battlefield i think it was Battlefield 4 and then that was that was essentially it and then Destiny came out and then that became my new PvP game input based matchmaking would be nice as well i thought we already have that oh you're talking about if even if you're a controller player if you're a controller player on PC you should be matching other controller players i don't know i'll let my console voice decide on that one that as soon as they realize that they're not having fun or that their fun is at someone else's expense they'll just play a new game and they'll leave and the population will die like I'm a believer in that a lot more options these days yep so if I had the keys to the kingdom and they were like "Cam this is our budget this is how much all of your suggestions cost find a way to make it work." I would tell them "Prioritize the bot battleground." That is numbering one i want you to create a private match environment where you are allowed to play against actual AI like that's step number one they're like why is that so important that's the bulk of our budget it's important because there's no other way to learn this game if you get a new player in here they're just going to get curb stomped so that's step number one step number one is invest in a bot battleground okay narrator Cammy here imagine a clip where I climb up really high on some out-of- bounds map spot and juke a super out and then just beat another super in a row after that all right for context I know what I did was reallying cool but like think of the receiving end of that like imagine that this is their first play session of Destiny after like getting acclimated to the game and then they experience that they just experienced that their super you know the part of the match where they're supposed to kick ass and you knowing like drop people right that part of the match I just denied it with just game knowledge right a little bit of execution but mostly game knowledge and they probably don't like that they're probably like "Well that made my play session a little less fun." And if that keeps happening to them because they keep matching players out of their racket they're just going to quit they're just going to be like "Fuck it this game's too convoluted the people at this game are too good i'm just I'm not even going to try." Then a viewer said that that happened to them but they just got better happened to you and you got better well you're built different gamers have a short attention span man they'll just go to a new game have Have you guys I don't know i'm trying to think like is there a game that you just been so thoroughly shut out in that you're just like I'm good i'm going back to whatever game or I'm not going to play the PvP in that game he's right but so wrong just get good but here's the other thing too i completely agree on the whole bot lobbies and let me I'm just running I'm running it past you guys how would you feel if there was a playlist in Destiny where you and and players could go up against a team of bots and essentially learn your way into PvP we've seen it in Halo we've seen it in other games it's a waste of time and money i just feel like it would be a great opportunity for people to just acclimate themselves to the game and then if they want to try their hand against other players afterwards good you just learn yeah that's all I'm saying it doesn't mean Bungie shouldn't be proactive in their game design that's exactly it that's exactly what I'm saying for every person like you by the way you're in a one of the highest hours played PvP players stream right now right like you wouldn't be in the stream if you weren't in the invested bubble and even if some of you think you're not good at the game you're in the bubble like you you're a knower that matters it's going to be extremely biased in here so I'm telling you if they're proactive in their approach they're going to have more new players stick to the game when you're in the bubble you're not allowed to have People use the word fair but like we need to talk about like equitable and fair and whatnot when I play this game it takes a long ass time to be kicked out of Skill Island the game genuinely expects me to drop minimum 40 kills to have a chance at winning some of these matches that it creates with outlier protection but the reality is that's what you get for being an outlier you're the outlier so it takes a while before the matchmaking takes a little bit of heat off you but if it wasn't uh that tight with calling me an outlier then the problem would be people would reverse boost and I hate to say I've seen it a lot i've seen a lot of reverse boosters where they have a low KD low experience account dude and they'll use that account to start a match with a duo they'll kick the duo have one of the accounts join and then they'll just farm lobbies of uh bronzes we joined up the other day uh L Dragon join us and it is so true man if you have someone with like a low KD or like just tank stats join you they will bring that that whole lobby down so much and then you're you're quite practically going up against bots so they'll do the two boxing method i've seen people do it in Destiny they don't think anything of it they're like "It's the only way I get casual lobbies." Well I'm not saying El Dragon's a bad player elragon's a great play el Dragon no no no you're a great player El Dragon el Dragon I don't want you to take offense to that brother i'm just saying that the caliber of players we were going up against were you know not as good as um what I'm normally used to you know what I mean sorry I'm just a player you're not You're a great player El Dragon el Dragon don't take that from nobody el Dragon feel free to ban anyone you want i understand that perspective i think it starts with like I said what would you change about matchmaking what would you If you had Keys to the Kingdom the budget for PvP how would you change things my answer is we're starting with a bot battleground we need a place where people can learn how this game works in a comfortable environment that way whenever they die to something weird in PvP they can go lab it out immediately because not everybody has access to like knowing exactly how to search something on Modern Destiny on YouTube they don't have access to all these sweat scrim Discords they don't have a Twitch chat to just ask a question and have it answered immediately like you have to have a friend in a private match and then work through it yourself add a kill cam look look although I wouldn't mind a kill cam I think having a a bot battleground to play a control match against and having situations where I don't know you pop your super they pop theirs and you have a 1v one moment you know what I mean i think I think those are completely fine and and I mean like other games have included bot lobbies of a way of transitioning folks even take like League of Legends for instance imagine League just throwing you in against other players immediately it's good that you actually have an opportunity to play up against bots learn your lanes learn your different characters and work your way up i think that needs to be present in this in Destiny as well so if you can get these players away from that hurdle they might have a standard and separate hardcore core mode like COD uh here's the thing at the end of the day hardcore players quote unquote hardcore like to form and so they will find ways to smurf and make their way into the standard crowd so that they could chew up shitty players and then that could that could potentially ruin the experience for them league doesn't teach you anything but it puts you up against bots you teach yourself 4K you come in here you say get good and now you're telling me that League doesn't teach you enough you can't say those same things in the same sentence stay but as soon as they hit that hurdle too many times in a row they're going to go what you know this isn't fun i didn't play this game to take a college course i played this game to shoot some guns that feel good so bot battleground would be number one number two would be we are splitting the game splitting the sandbox we don't need PvE up PvP you can definitely do like the Iron Banner uh seasonal mode or something like that and make it a event like a genuine PvP event where it'sing crazy right you can do that but for regular PvP I think you can have greatest hits i think by the way it's going to sounding crazy but when you really think about it it makes so much sense we have some greatest hits weapons in Destiny when people say Destiny that are not Destiny gamers they say Galahorn they know what that is and we have all the OGs we have Fell Winter's Lie i think the Annio among high skill players is a memorable weapon we have the AS Luna from Destiny 1 imagine if some of these weapons were just staple fixed weapon roll picks but then other more powerful weapons like Fell Winter's Lie is a map pickup where you can have the OG rangefinder shot package Fell Winter's Lie and just pick that up off the map like a power weapon imagine dude imagine even just a a game mode where Last or or or Thorn could had its OG like D1 effects back during House of Wolves and it was two tapping or um Last Word when it was in its prime or Haw Moon and its ability to to one tap it wouldn't be this wouldn't be the case everywhere in PvP but he's just saying like a greatest a greatest hit uh playlist would actually pop like don't not just the weapon where it is now but what those weapons were during their prime if all the PVE they spent making these void verbs sol um solar verbs etc imagine that these could be powerups along the map and with love and care put on specific maps for specific game modes tune the speed of characters with the recovery speed that way every situation feels readable and if you're like "That's not fun." Well I have some news for you we have an opposite game mode a fiesta game mode where you get to going crazy infinite special ammo perfect AE faster movement speed higher jump height no less blink cool down right that would be the other half of it and we'd start with probably like less than five game modes tailored with a fixed sandbox that to me is like everything that needs to happen to take Destiny from a game that people try for a little bit and then are like this is too convoluted i'm not having fun or I'm tired of the same thing over and over again so you take those players and get them to become I'm not taking the shot i I want to green goblin mask let's Let's just shoot near him that's a Lego that would be my priority though my priority would be buy battleground separate the game make curated modes in sandbox that's it i got to say guys I like the idea of like the best m Like have you ever thought to yourself what's stronger what What was What was stronger was two tap and thorn stronger than the Mountaintop Lunas How meta when it was at its prime and just having like the top metas compete against each other i don't know just a thought it's just a thought i doubt it would ever happen but it is it is a thought fireball grenades with Viking funeral OG Vex OG Suros i mean like like seriously like people would you essentially choose your meta and I know that that's probably really unrealistic with what the suits want but you asked me oh and you want to hear about the PvE side now that I told you how I would do PvP for the PVE side I really think they uh dig deep into what the game director obviously wants they want this game to be like WoW and Diablo they really do so like stop trying to do half measures and turn this into World of Warcraft and Diablo so I think the evolution of Destiny PvE is having a um I guess I don't have a mouse here so I can't show you but in the bottom middle of my screen there needs to be an ability hot bar that you can navigate with your D-pad that augments abilities has like utility etc so that's where that's the angle I would go with gameplay and as far as like the looter shooter part of it go crazy i'm talking like some very unfair have worlds first like be completely decided by somebody getting the Galah Horn and somebody not like go crazy with it people asked for it like give it to them make the gamblers complain about gambling like that would be my goal as a game director i'd be like we want this to be so unfair and so power spiky from season to season a complete wipe etc we want we want the players that ask for that to actually complain about it like that's howing far we want to go in that direction however how do we rein back on that we start doing um we use contest mode as the word contest as in a limited selection of items fixed rolls etc and what would that mean imagine I queue onto this eternity dungeon and when I click here and I hit the contest mode difficulty it says like these are your available six loadout or let's say there's like 30 loadouts to choose from something like that you choose one of your 30 loadouts and you go set the best time in the game and if you succeed and you get top 100 you get a shitload of bright dust or whatever tertiary currency there is and then you use that tertiary currency and instead of trading for the fun in PvE you buy very very sick cosmetics that do not go away each season that way the people who are like I asked for gambling and you gave us too much gambling this is unfair man how can someone else have Galah Horn when I don't and it's like you asked for this you asked for this 6 months ago you said and I quote "Fuck respecting your time that's what you said." And they'd be like "I know that's what I said but that's not what I meant." And it's like "Well okay you get to go load into the fixed mode in PvE now if you really are a hot and think you deserve Galah Horn why don't you go set the number one time in the fixed set you can get some bright dust for it and some sick." I mean in some ways he is calling out exactly what was said pre like like around like the what was it second episode Revenant when everyone was like don't respect my time or something like that you know what I mean so essentially what he's saying right here is go crazy in the PVE sandbox where yes day one or day one raids uh raid races could be decided by someone's RNG imagine if steel hunt was a drop imagine that imagine if steel hunt was a drop and you've got a squ you've got a squad with no steel hunts versus a squad with steel hunts obviously in day one Salvation's Edge the Steel Hunt crew would have a,000% beaten the beaten the raid and not saying the other crew wouldn't have but it would have been much tougher you know that's an off idea it's an intriguing thought cuz it's like it's the ultimate loot game but the other side of things is like I could see people getting cut from their day one raid teams like I could see right now like less being like cross do you have still hunts do you do you have whatever new drop it is for that given season oh you don't have it and then suddenly we would get that late night message which would be we're going to go in a different direction with our squad this year cross nothing personal my man but we're just going to we're going to try things out with John over here or whoever the whoever the you know what I mean it could definitely go in that direction but hold on that would mean the loot means something if you're leaving I'm leaving let's go Biddy that's right Les you can't boot me from this squad that's how Destiny one was not everyone had the best DPS options yeah yeah but you would take a player on your team how many How many people picked up a guy with Galah Horn back in the day dude they could suck they could have literally zero game knowledge as long as they could do the bare minimum of mechanics and they had Galah Horn you're on my squad you know that's that's pretty much how I was like you're you're there but this also made it difficult because all of a sudden everyone was only looking for people with gathers cosmetics that shut their ass up right there i might uh I might upload this stream chopped up out of context maybe edit it lightly cuz I think this conversation was really good oh and if I do end up editing me just taking these stream parts out of context let's start with um when did I start losing the passion for Destiny and I think the answer is very simple it is when they change their motto when at Bungie after you enter the studios and look at the wall the wall used to have the motto on it and the motto was "We make games we want to play they changed that motto." Yep that is when I could start feeling the dominoes topple yep and I could see my soul being drained from this game and what did they change that motto to by the way their new motto is admirable for what they're trying to achieve but I'm going to argue that their old motto not only did what their new motto wants to do but did it better so their new motto is we create worlds that inspire friendship and that one makes me cringe not because I don't have friends or the capacity to make friends but because when I look at this director full of things to do I hate to say that when I have more people in these activities it somehow makes it worse with the combination of matchmaking and difficulty like I hate to say it a lot of the raid design for a player like me it's better experienced as a threeman oh we are breaking ankles out here if I have people who can speak on a microphone in an activity we run it over so much that the game starts being in the background and I know that's what they mean when they say friendship we get to talk about it it was the highlight of your day you know a little natural conversations there happening but if the game was better we would have still do that so I I want you to think about that motto again we create worlds where we inspire friendship do you know how hard it is to communicate with Destiny players compared to other MMOs you got to really go out of your way i'll show you proof right now check this out we create worlds that inspire friendship then why can't I make a custom title for LG i have to do this title where I go farming looking for experts with a tag of competitive fast meta loadouts if I can fit more I can probably do right i'm going to apply that tag then I'm going to have application required and when I hit create listing because I'm not able to have a custom title what's going to happen is I am not going to get people joining for farming they're only going to be looking for one single clear i'm not going to get experts they're going to have sub 3,000 hours they're not going to be competitive they're not going to be fast and they're most certainly going to have a Thunderlord equipped right or whatever the flavor of the season is so if I hit create listing that's what's going to happen that is not creating a world that inspires friendship a world that inspires friendship would let me make the custom tag and the custom tag would be we talk about anime in this fire team i wouldn't even care about any of the rest of this stuff because if they're on the same wavelength as me and can have an enjoyable conversation with another person oh dude Destiny's the easy part all it takes is just being like are you open to some constructive criticism on how God damn it dude that was such a fantastic point that's right no seriously i The model change re I I don't know what year was that what year was that that that somebody tracked me down the year we can go faster before we start this activity and then if we fail it's like no big deal let's see what we can uh change and we just go and go and go until we're done the game is secondary the game is free but as soon as it's this I'm just frustrated picking out players who didn't read the damn post who don't give a about other people's time where with the uh custom title it kind of is a filter on its own okay friends that concludes the live stream rip ramble let me know if this is something I should do more of not going to say it was easy to do but I could definitely do it again i need more see you in the next one no no no no that was that was good stuff i don't know what what year was it that the motto changed i think it was when they went independent in 2019 dude there was a shift there was a shift back when their motto was you know Bungie themselves we we we make games that we want to play i mean that that's such an easy one and like we we didn't no one needed to be told hey you should be developing friendships in Destiny you just did it by default back in D1 because you wanted you wanted good i can't tell you how many times like I just sometimes I would I would game with different people and it we just had a common goal they could have a a kid screaming in the background but look if you're there to get some good I'm there to get some good fine dude you could talk on the mic whenever you want or you could just not say anything it doesn't matter to me as long as we get some good and sometimes it would just be just super chill cuz yeah we would fail at nightfalls all the time in Destiny one but it was like you know we we had a common goal together and that that's the other thing too is like the game comes first and that is this is such a counterpoint as well like with us not having the ability to custom tag our own stuff and actually type in different things like that right there i mean it's like how how or it's not an easy game it's not a super social game we also don't have things like clan hubs you know or like uh the clan dojo that's inside of like Warframe and stuff there's just a lot of elements inside of Destiny that that aren't really helpful uh they kind of do just the bare minimum on the social side of things so again like going back to like Bungie's model I don't think that motto really fits inside of Destiny but people would write all kinds of toxic stuff in the custom titles you just have to bleep that out i mean obviously some things would would would filter past it you know what I mean but you'll just have to have to have systems in place that will filter that stuff i mean look take any MRPG out there any MRPG out there you know they they all run into these same issues but they have they have different ways of filtering that out we can't just sit there and just hide behind or all these restrictions and be like "Oh it's because the bad words out there might get us." It's like good god it dude just It's a We're grown i mean it sucks when people be shooters sure but ban them i don't know what else to say um I like what Cammy had to say on on the the different game modes in PvP i just don't think Bungie is going to do anything on the PvP side guys i would I would love it i love the greatest hits meta in terms of separating the the sandboxes completely like to where there's no overlap in changes i think Bungie just does things like the way they do it now for the sake of simplicity and um I think that PvP is just not a big focus for whatever reason um it hasn't been and maybe they really believe like I don't know maybe marathon maybe they thought that marathon is it's like that they want that to be the the PVP centered game you know at one time supposedly they were going to remove PvP right wasn't there like a rumor of that that at one time they were going to that the the gambit was going to completely replace all of PvP yeah i think that's one of them one of the best features about Destiny though is in my opinion loot something inside of PvE and then take it inside of PvP you know what I mean i I just love that they should have done that no no it's terrible guys pve players you cannot discount PvP players okay I mean they they are a sizable population as well and also the the replayability there you go the replayability of PvP you know a lot I mean a lot of the times I get through the new content and what do I do i literally just play PvP i mean once I get once I get through everything do all the builds I want to do run the GMs run the dungeons get the loot that I need nine times out of 10 I'm just going to spend the rest of my days in PvP pve players need PvP players dare I say we need each other right can we just say we need each other slap that like button like your mama told you right heat heat

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