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Overview

  • Discussion centered around gameplay mechanics and a specific weapon in a game, referred to as "Bygones."

  • Emphasis on the impact of recent changes to the "high ground" perk.

Patch Notes and Changes

  • High Ground Damage Bonus: High differential required to activate increased by 150% for primary ammo weapons.

    • This change affects weapons like Bygones, a popular pulse rifle.

    • Crit damage remains the same at 37 regardless of height.

    • Many maps are relatively flat, making it hard to consistently achieve the high ground bonus.

    • Practically requires being two guardians high or more.

Impact on Gameplay

  • Bygones: Despite changes, still considered a strong weapon.

    • Headseeker Perk: Argued to be more feasible than high ground.

    • Situational use of high ground might not be worth it post-nerf.

Other Weapons

  • Mention of "Time Worn Wayfarer" as a weapon affected by the high ground changes.

    • Previously benefited greatly from high ground.

Testing and Gameplay

  • Attempts to proc high ground throughout the gameplay.

    • Observations about new weapon dynamics and challenges in achieving high ground bonuses.

Strategy and Tips

  • Map Choice: Some maps offer better opportunities for high ground than others.

    • Discussion of specific areas where high ground was effective.

Player Experience and Community Feedback

  • Mixed reactions to changes.

    • Emphasis on adapting strategy according to the current meta.

    • Discussion about the broader implications and player complaints.

Conclusion

  • High ground perk now situational and difficult to activate, especially in PvP.

  • Headseeker is a more consistent alternative.

  • Weapon balance and strategy adaptation remain crucial in gameplay.

  • Bygones remains effective but requires strategic play to maximize its potential.

Final Thoughts

  • High ground changes demand players to adapt their playstyle.

  • Suggested to embrace other perks and strategies.

  • Game mechanics require constant evolution to maintain player engagement.

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Impact of High Ground Changes in Gaming

Guys, if you take a look at the patch notes, it says right here that increase the high differential required to activate high grounds damage bonus against players by 150% when using a primary ammo weapon. So let bygones be bygones. So let's, let's take a look.

Let's just see how high, how high exactly are we needing to be in order to proc the full benefits of this perk. This is really important on a weapon like bygones guys, or really any post rifle or any weapon, but bygones, especially because it's like, you could just go head secret. 37 damage per crit if i hop up on like i say an alleged like this oh still 37 dude are you is this kind of an increase not really oh that's awful man because this seems way higher let me so hold on hold on okay so it's proccing right there but it's not proccing right there what this is not high enough okay okay keep coming down the stairs fx oh my god come down further a couple more stairs oh my lord go just go ahead to the flat ground and now it rocks oh my god dude and it's not even hitting its full damage right man this is too big of a nerf guys i mean this most of our maps are are i would say relatively flat outside of a few like widow's court or something like that but for the most part everything's really flat like you would have to come in here and place your nade up I mean like that's about the only the way I can be like Confidently because there's just nothing here unless you're like an out-of-bounds areas You're never gonna be this high consistently one of my favorite areas on this because high ground was actually fantastic for this map I ground for this map was really good because Here, that could be like over here.

FX, you can come over here. Yeah. Oh my God. FX, go out further. This used to be my favorite spot because I would hit people in that zone out there.

Oh my Lord. It's a dead part, fellas. It's a dead part.

I would say, what this really means when we go look at bygones right now, is, um, don't, I wouldn't go high ground. I just wouldn't go high ground. I would go probably headseeker, no.

But for PvP, high ground, it's just, it's just not, it's just not feasible. And this is, again, for all primary weapons. I know they mention, like, high ground on, like, on a special weapon, but I don't, I can't even recall off the top of my head high ground on specials. but uh for primary weapons it was a big deal because it would obviously drop the time to kill you cannot float with this park everybody high grounds if you if you're on a warlock and you think you could just eat your grenade and float with high ground that does not work it will not proc for you like your feet have to be touching ground or you have to make your own platform right in this situation like i can't see if this is high enough that's this is barely high enough That's damage falloff.

So, so, gives you kind of a rough idea. I mean, you're going to have to be, at all times, like, again, it's like a guardian. It's honestly almost like two guardians stacked on top of each other.

FX, can y'all come over here and stand right here? Just stand right here, FX. Right up here and see if y'all can stand on each other's heads.

Yeah, because I shot him right up in there. Dude, that's like two, that's like two and a half guardians. That's actually higher because the grenades up here, the top of the grenade, that's like almost three guardians stacked on top of each other before high ground props.

I just think it's a dead part now, guys. And listen, listen, listen, I can give a shit less about bygones. Bygones kind of like, all right, whatever, you know.

Here's the weapon that really hurts. No one was using time-worn wayfarer. Except for the people that were taking advantage of high ground, right?

High ground on Time Worn. Oh, perfect, man. Perfect. Anyways, that's been sh** on. No bueno.

Let's go test something else out. Who was... Was there a lot of people complaining about bygones? I guess we can't... You know, I guess...

I don't know. Let me see. I don't even have... I kept one of the by...

Oh, never mind. i said i didn't have another bygones but we actually do dude i had no idea i had no idea i had this in the vault l barrels the masterwork that's all right could just do extended barrel that helps recall direction now although 69 is so good man you almost don't want to with it right but we will we will all right boost that we'll juice that all right hold on let's juice this i actually have not played with bygones since uh high ground's been nerfed so this is gonna be a perfect opportunity and considering that when we reviewed it we reviewed it from the perspective of high ground uh yeah we got to give it a go how often you able to proc lone wolf in pvp i mean keep in mind guys lone wolf still gives you the benefits even if you're close to your teammates it just gives you more benefits substantially more benefits when you're not so it's not like it's a wasted park it's not like you're getting nothing from it but this may actually be the new the new god roll here Alright, alright. Hold up, hold up.

I love consistency perks, man. It's gonna be a great day, man. Gonna be a great day.

Honestly, now this is a map we could potentially proc high ground on. But is it even worth it at this point? I don't even know if it's worth it.

I mean, I don't know, maybe. Alright, baby. Alright, here we go. Here we go.

Oh, yeah! Oh! Yeah, I got high ground going. Yeah, it's not worth it.

It might be. I mean, maybe it is. I'll swap it mid-game.

How about that? Every time my glitch grenade is no longer on cooldown, I'll pull it back up. Until then, though, I'd rather headseeker.

It's OB-1. What the f- Ah, I know where we're messing up now. Yeah, you should kill me brother. I just made such a casual mistake right now Hold on my glacier grenade. Is it almost back yet?

Oh God dog it dude, somebody banned this weapon Bungie sees weapons like they make weapons like this and they're like high ground too much It's good that I left Gambit. Gambit's actually a high point. You know what I mean? Alright, hold on, hold on.

I've almost got my grenade back. It's taking an eternity. I'm prismatic here.

Alright, we're almost there. And then I can actually proc high ground again. See guys, you should be able to stand on any little ledge like this and proc high ground.

This is nice, man. I like it. Okay, okay, okay.

Watch this, guys. This is your meta. Hello? Please speak. Please speak.

Oh no, oh no Damn it. Oh, we could just jump up here. Oh Wow, what I'm this actually this map right here has its own terrain What this guy dude, he's everything I hate about warlocks and everything I hate about warlocks Oh Hi, Shutter Choc.

You've made an enemy today. You've made an enemy today. Look at him go.

Look at him go. Panic super. Hey, hey, f**kers. All right, free to play.

Guys, look, look, look. Let me just say, what do you think this is? You think I give a sh** about this?

about Honor World War 2. Secondly, secondly, it's only a solo super if you miss the other two f***ing guys. Alright? So lick thy ass.

I had a vision and it didn't work out. But even if it was a solo super, you damn right, I solo super the s*** out of that guy. There we go.

There we go. What's up? What's up? I don't know, guys.

I don't know. I don't think high ground... I mean, it's very apparent that high ground's a harder one to prop.

Here, here. I'm gonna try it one more time. Here, we're gonna try it one more time and get high ground going.

See, even something as simple as that area, it would prop. Oh, my God. Does anybody want to come cap this point with me?

Jesus Christ, dude. It's an objective game up. Okay, hold up. Hold up. This is gonna make all the difference.

God damn it, brother. Get the f*** up here. Yes, we got the two birds. Oh my God, we live. We live.

All that work. All right, fantastic. I'll have another grenade in about four and a half minutes. But until then, we'll be back on our head secret roll.

So you can in fact use it. It just, you know, you gotta be very high. There we go. It does not work with heat rises.

Oh my lord. It's like as the player base in Destiny continues to shrink, all the players with knowledge are the ones that leave first. It's called high ground, not high air! Warlocks, you'll have your perk one day.

High sky, whatever the f***. What flavor vape you got? I don't have a vape. What the f*** do you mean, a vape? Honestly, vape...

There's never been something that's like... They need better than cigarettes, huh? Right?

Oh my god. Oh my god. This doesn't stink.

People that vape never bother me, but... But I don't vape. No.

Oh my god. Bygon still shreds! I know when the gamer subs play will be dropping. We're working on Vex milk, but I'm getting a little bit of push back. Oh my god.

Woo! Oh my lord! Alright, we're gonna try to proc high ground again.

We'll swap to the weapon. We're still rocking our headseeker lone wolf role, which is disgusting, man. It really is. Oh my lord, dude. The Glaze hits so fast.

Mars Mangos. Mars Peaches. Here's the thing, chat. What if we made a flavor revolving around Haley, you know?

Or Freyna, you know? And that's a solo super everybody came by I was giving a shit about it now that right there is an actual solo super That right there kind of a solo super in a way to you know Alright I've almost got my grenade back Okay, they're on the outside of the room. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

All right, I've almost got it. I'm going to swap to my high ground roll. And now I'm about to show you the meta right here, baby.

About to show you the meta right here, baby. All right, hold on. Oh, fuck.

Oh, fuck. Never mind. and now i'm gonna show you the meta what the will you calm down tweet business man i know i can't get my grenade back i won't even have it back this match wow amazing metacross a lot of hoops I don't know guys I think the head secret rolls is where we stay. There was a few moments where high ground did pop, not that game. Didn't pop that game.

Leave this match? No, no, no, no, no. It's time to pull it back.

It's comeback time. Did Shaq just laugh at us getting mercied right now? Did Shaq just laugh at us getting mercied?

After all these years, the new Shaq's lines we get is literally him thinking it's hilarious we're getting rolled. My god. I'll take it, baby.

I'll take it. You could literally just proc high ground even from this. Oh No, give me that ass I want it Excellent! Dude, I got so stressed guys. You may have lost high ground, but I would argue that Headseeker is better anyways.

You know what I mean? High ground was always situational. But the upside was just so good that I would go through whatever links to make it happen.

Once Headseeker gets killed, GG's pulse rivals. I don't think they're going to kill it considering for years Headseeker was treated as a garbage perk. Attack's down a little more damage, obviously a fantastic perk for 1v1s. Zone C captured. You have zone advantage.

Zone B captured. Howlman, keep the pressure on. Shots.

People complain about the SMG meta, auto rifle meta, and pulse meta. People always complain about the meta, man. It's just part of life.

The thing about the meta inside of Destiny is, you know, it needs to be... It needs to evolve. That's how you get people to...

It's like any any game man It evolves to push people to grind for things they may not have grinded before You know, I would say for the most part destiny is try to maintain balance. They haven't really pushed things to oh My god, dude, they really try to push things to the front too hard last time. I really think it happens like or light Thank you. Damn, he even went that slow, dude.

GG's. I think Bygon is still really good, guys. I think it's still very, very good. We might have lost high ground, but we still got rolls like this that pop.

You just gotta play Gambit, man. That's it. It's that simple. You want the God roll, play Gambit. It's not as bad as you think.

And look, let me actually say this. If you actually, like, adhere to the Gambit meta, you may find yourself enjoying Gambit. There is a lot of roles here.

That's a lot of roles. But, yeah, that Lone Wolf Headseeker role, I'm not just kidding. I'm not. Can I say Space King 2 yet?

No. Maybe we're gonna have a moment here. Actually, actually, hold up, hold up. I can proc high ground. This is the one, chat.

This is the one, baby. This is the one. Ah, he's too far.

Oh, yes. Oh, no, it's out. It's gone. Yeah, now it's not Proc it anymore.

There's nothing else either. I don't think there's anything else we could possibly use to Proc Igrown. Look at him.

Look at him. Glacial Chasm essentially is a guaranteed kill, guys. I feel like it's a guaranteed kill.

Unless someone interrupts the charge, it's pretty much a guaranteed kill. Nevermind, it's not a guaranteed kill. Gun's garbage. I'll take it. I'll take it, dude.

Oh my god, that flinch there from bygones man. Never mind, they're getting that cap. Let's see, let's look for some high ground. Yes, yes, oh no no no come back.

Yes! Yes, there oh There was the two bursts though, but really as far as like physical locations and the make your own man to get high ground going You can make it work. Oh Look at him go brother. Look at him go. Oh, no You want to say hello to everyone you want Look at that one!

Yeah! Uh-huh! Uh-huh!

You're doing it! You're doing it! Look at you go! Look! Oh my god, he's killing me.

That wasn't on you, that was on me. WHAT?! Dude, I make it all the way to the end of that game. What do you mean, what?

What, we're at the end of the game? They didn't finish the game up? Jesus, fellas.

Oh, we won? Hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah.

No, my child gets really upset when I have to give her back to her mom. Because she just wants the game. She wants the game, man.

And I get it. It scares me, though. I see it in her eyes. I feel like, because I used to get so obsessed. And we still do.

We get obsessed with certain games, dude. And we just obsess over them. Become a degenerate.

And anyways, I could see it. I could see it, dude. She wants to she wants the game man What's going on Is it my internet it must be my internet are we lagging Okay, that guy's moving normally Oh my god.

Oh my god, dude. Dude, I think that's the same guy that was jumping all over the place. There it is, baby.

There it is. I got accused of lag switching while I was doing a GM carry? Really? From the person you were carrying? Okay.

Take it. No! He can fit through that?

Are you shitting me? Magnus Warframe, no doubt. Who's the dickest Warframe? Oh my god.

Oh my God. Glacial Chasm is a problem. He tried.

He tried. I'm going to quickshot right past him. That's a matter for debate.

Beautiful. Thank you, guys. Wow, he still got it?

Look at him, he's still going! Alright guys, in my opinion, bygones to shreds. In my other opinion, Grey's Suicasm is a problem. Slap that like button like your mama told you right.

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